Performance Anxiety

Hello fellow guitarists. 

I, in an earlier time of my life, played sport at an elite level sometimes playing in front of hundreds of people. I decided to take up classical guitar at the tender age of 66 and I have found that unlike in my younger years when I would look forward with excitement to performing, I now suffer massively with performance anxiety. And it is getting worse. Playing for friends, family and even my guitar teacher has become something that I would much sooner run and hide than put myself through. I play by myself and record some of my playing and am, for the most part, happy with my playing. But what I do in private I struggle to reproduce in public. In golf I think they call what I suffer from, THE YIPS. Whatever the term I certainly know that my confidence is virtually non existed. 

I have never taken any form on medication for performance anxiety, however I have heard that a natural supplement called PERFORMZEN is suppose to be very good and is taken by musicians. Has anyone heard of this supplement or have use this supplement? 

I have been trying all the non medicated ways like deep breathing positive thinking etc etc etc with zero success. I am sure I'm not new with this problem and would appreciate any advice given. 

 

Cheers

Michelle

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    • Nijwm_Bwiswmuthiary
    • 5 days ago
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    Some wonderful comments, suggestions and advice here. It's been such a lively discussion and it's great to hear people sharing their experiences.

    I have already mentioned about my own performance anxiety issues in an earlier reply. While PA might be unique to each person's experience, perhaps there are some common threads that are uniquely related to the classical guitar and it's history and tradition.

    Traditionally, the classical guitar has carried with a perfectionist, academic tradition, atleast in the contemporary era. Unlike results based activity like certain sports where winning is the ultimate goal, classical guitar is often judged on process and nuances of not just rigorous technical prowess but also musical parameters like articulation, phrasing, dynamics that are often set to very high standards. I have often felt the burden of meeting such expectations even when I'm just playing to myself. If it has to be some kind of performance, slips in detail might feel like walking a tightrope.

    Secondly, classical guitar is mostly a solo pursuit, unless you're lucky enough to be in the company of others as fellow enthusiasts, classmates in a conservatory, or parts of an ensemble. Unfortunately for me, I'm like an island at a place where I haven't met anyone in person who's interested in classical guitar.

    This is unlike in other settings like playing acoustic or electric guitars casually in jam sessions with friends at home or in stage where responsibility might be diffused among the band members

    Finally, there's online culture of 'perfection' where everyone and everything is a slice of perfection. Be it tik tok, YouTube, Facebook and classical guitar accounts like SIccas or Guitar Salon International where everything looks like perfection. We can easily fall into the trap of thinking that that's the standard we must reach or at least aspire to, thereby distorting expectations, creating undue comparisons and putting more pressure on ourselves.

    • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
    • Ariel.1
    • 5 days ago
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     said:
    Guitarists seem to be a pretty self-critical bunch

    Musicians are a self-critical bunch. Being self-critical comes with the job description, I think. I am son of a pianist and a violinist and I don't believe we are an island.  

    • joosje
    • 3 days ago
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    Fascinating thread here. Just an observation from my side: Indeed, many musicians, especially guitarists, often late learners, or devoted amateurs with high level education and career, tend to have unrealistically high expectations and demands regarding their own playing, mainly focusing on ‘perfection’. This creates excessive stress levels.

    Playing an instrument is a unique art. It cannot (should not) be judged along the same criteria as a math or science test. (Maybe at competitions, but even then…)

    Music is not about playing all the notes right, having perfect technique., and following all the style rules. It’s art, it’s about telling a story and taking people, your audience, along in that story. The thing that impresses us so much  is all those great composers who invented the story first and we are ‘only the medium’., and, so, must be the ‘flawless,  perfect messengers’.

    I refer to a beautiful and insightful lesson that Borbara Seles gave here at TB on how to make your own story and let that guide you when you play your music for an audience. It takes time and energy working on your pieces with that in mind, but it helps so much when you are with your audience (be it friends, family, your cat, or a concert hall filled with guitar freaks), just ‘creating your story‘ and focus on the continuity and the intensity of your tone, dynamics and rhythm.

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 3 days ago
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       No doubt what you say is true. I personally have been told to leave my perfectionism at the door. However I have always, and I'm sure I am not alone, demand high standards of myself. Human nature. I saw a documentary on a professional violinist who played for the Hamburg Philharmonic Orchestra who openly said, "I have to be hard on myself in order play my best".  I could relate to what she said. 

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 3 days ago
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        That's a sure way to approach something you do out of love: Be hard on yourself to garantee to do at all times just your best!! LOL  Sorry, I know it's a serious matter and it causes great suffering but I am deeply convinced that this approach is a disservice to you and all. You must appreciate the disconnection between both terms.   

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 2 days ago
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       Maybe that's a rabbit hole that could be explored in another topic. The words I use were the words of another musician. 

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    • Hancock30
    • 3 days ago
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    I sent a reply but do not see it.  What happened.

      • magmasystems
      • 3 days ago
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       Sometimes, when I write a comment for the first time on a thread, I get a message that says that it is awaiting moderation. Maybe that happened with your comment?

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      • Hancock30
      • 3 days ago
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      Thanks will give it a try.

    • Dev_Ramsaran
    • 3 days ago
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    I have enjoyed reading through this discussion started by Michelle Roper, such interesting comments and excellent advice. My favourite audience is four empty walls and a door.

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 2 days ago
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      I love that comment. 

      • Dev_Ramsaran
      • 2 days ago
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      Thank you, and thanks for starting the discussion.

      • Michelle_Roper
      • Yesterday
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       You are welcome. I have gained a lot from the responses and I hope others have too. I am still chuckling over your comment. That is so relatable. A little bit of trivia, I was on a cruise ship that had a classical guitarist that gave a concert in front of hundreds of people in the theatre. I thought he played well but a lot of the audience got up and left whilst he was still playing. He must have been shattered.  

      • Dev_Ramsaran
      • Yesterday
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       Oh my! Perhaps the guitarist was aware that not everyone on a cruise ship appreciates the classical guitar, they were simply sampling a 'free' concert event when their stomachs told them to go out and sample a 'free' all you can eat buffet. I am sure that he was ok and happy to have the gig entertaining yourself and others who remained.

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • Yesterday
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        Cruises pay very well those gigs. Besides personal expectations all the musicians I know that participate do it for both the money and the experience of playing every day with a public not always interested. I don't think he must have been awfully sensible or offended. It's just a gig. There's no chance that everybody is interested... I'd run away from any carioca carnival band as fast as possible and completely free of guilt if I happened to come across one in a ship. 

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 23 hrs ago
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       Perhaps you are right. Classical music is not for everyone. If I mention to someone that I am learning to play classical guitar one of the questions they ask is "can you play Smoke on the Water." by Deep Purple. and I politely say no I cannot. Not sure that that piece of music would be classified as classical music. 

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 23 hrs ago
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       I was  curious to know how he felt. On the same cruise I was seated at the dinner table with a couple that sang in a major choir. I mentioned the experience with the classical guitarist and they said they felt sorry for that guitarists but it is something that every perform expects to happen at some stage of their career. 

      • Dev_Ramsaran
      • 9 hrs ago
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       Yes, the feeling may be the same as a street musician, keep playing and who wants to enjoy enjoy, who wants to walk on walk on.

      • Dev_Ramsaran
      • 9 hrs ago
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       Interesting that the choir couple felt that way, I suppose I've never experienced that because walls don't walk away.

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 6 hrs ago
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       walls don't Walter away .... hahaha... yet. Never know. There might come to be a judgemental IA wall at every house soon... 

      • Dev_Ramsaran
      • 5 hrs ago
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      Yes and heavens forbid it picks up a guitar and starts to play!

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      • Mark_Edwards
      • 58 min ago
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      but you could play Smoke on the Water, albeit with a different guitar. One of the first songs I learnt before I took up classical 

    • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
    • Ariel.1
    • 3 days ago
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    I have just posted an article I published a while ago, that I feel may be of interest to all of you. It's not directly about Performance Anxiety but it is related to it in many ways and, forgive the presumption, but I feel it can be a good read to make things move in a maybe different direction. 

    https://guitar-community.tonebase.co/t/q6y1tf4/the-space-between-sounds

    I hope you'll enjoy it. 

        

      • magmasystems
      • 3 days ago
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       You always give so much of your time to help us here, Ariel. Thanks so much.

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 3 days ago
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      you are very welcomed!

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