AI analysis

This week I recorded BWV 1007 prelude on iPhone Voice Memo and uploaded it to Gemini for analysis. And then asked it which measures I should work on. It listed the measures and an analysis of the measure and what I needed to work on. I wondered if other people had tried this. Please give it a try before responding so that we can have a real discussion of the benefits and limitations of AI.

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    • mgshirk
    • 3 days ago
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    I have not, but it sure sounds interesting. It sure has a huge data cache to compare against. I’m curious what kind of suggestions it made. 

      • Steve_Price
      • 8 hrs ago
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       It's funny that you said you were asking it questions you already knew the answer to. I was doing the same same thing, having it analyze pieces to see if I could trip it up, lol. It's definitely not perfect but did better than I thought for some of the more obscure pieces I asked about. One of the things I read about the models was that they're designed to err on the side giving a wrong answer as opposed to no answer since they never want them saying "I don't know." I witnessed some of that. 

    • John_Mardinly
    • 3 days ago
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    This is frightening. For most guitarists, teaching is how they make their living. 

      • BLaflamme
      • 3 days ago
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       Well... Just read what you got from Gemini and I have to say that's pretty basic and generic in terms of analysis for harmonic, rhythm, form and technical suggestions, I would certainly not rely on this to craft my way of playing. Maybe one could be impressed by the fact it can match mesures or recognize chords, but that seems to be the easiest part for an AI. In fact working at slow tempo with a metronome would probably resolves almost everything there, and then listening to a recording of you to figure out what you're not aware of when you play, and obviously working with a knowledgable teacher to help you progress! That's indeed an interesting experiment!

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 3 days ago
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      I don’t think this is to replace a teacher. This is simply a way to get feedback during my practice so hopefully my lessons are more focused. For better or worse, AI is here to stay. We are all going to use it in our jobs and lives. For teachers, adapters into incorporating AI into lessons and lesson plans will only be beneficial.

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 3 days ago
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      I found it helpful. Guitar is a serious hobby for me, but I would not consider myself a real musician. For me it adds feedback and helps direct my practice. This is not meant to replace a teacher, and I certainly won’t be replacing mine. Also, I think with directed questions, Gemini can become more and more detailed. This was also not the most detailed engine that it has. I only recently started using it, but plan to see if it could be more helpful.

    • Ron.3
    • 2 days ago
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    Just seen all the posts - very interesting, I've used AI for several things but not for critiquing my playing! I will try it at some point although my basic process of "plan-do-reflect-act" usually gives me plenty of things to work on!

    • Michelle_Roper
    • 2 days ago
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    Hi Jeffrey,

    I do not use AI but it is something that interests me only because I really cannot see that AI does any good. Maybe I am wrong but I don't see how an inanimate object can observe and critique a musical performance in an objective manner. It does not have a natural ear and having an ear for music is what humans develop and that ear is responsible for the creation of interesting and beautiful sound.  AI has a history of being sycophantic telling you what you want to hear. Which is another reason not to trust AI. 

    Cheers

    Michelle

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 2 days ago
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      give it a try. 

      • Immanuel
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       Hi Michelle. For sure there are going to be significant limitations but as a tool for feedback I don't see the harm if it is just treated as ideas to consider. I am going to try it.

      • Michelle_Roper
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       You make a  very good point and from an interest point of view AI is probably worth a try. But there are those that become addicted to the sycophantic responses that AI can be notoriously consistent at giving, that they lose touch with reality. Let me know how you go and what you think. I would be interested. 

      I am blessed with a teacher who will certainly let me know if what I am playing sounds good or bad. However we humans have a weakness of sometimes not telling the truth about a performance. 

    • Steve_Price
    • 2 days ago
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    I have to admit I was very skeptical about the use of AI in this context, but after reading the feedback Jeffrey received, I'm pretty impressed. It's a lot more detailed than I would have expected. Some questioned whether the feedback and analysis were all correct, but isn't that the case with all commentary we receive? Whether it's about interpretation, technique, or theory, I think it's a mistake not to evaluate what we're told. Even if it's good advice, it's not beneficial if we don't truly understand it. If we only wanted feedback from the most authoritative sources, then there'd be no reason to play for family, friends, guitar groups, etc. We get feedback from a diverse group with different tastes, experience, and skill levels, so maybe this is the same sort of thing. Someone mentioned it being sycophantic, but aside from my teachers, there was more constructive criticism in this AI response than I've EVER received from guitar groups, in the challenges here, or in the old two-week intensives we used to do.  

    My only question is whether this feedback is generic or if it is reflective of what was actually played. If it's just general information plucked from around the web, then it's only mildly useful, like reading an article about the piece, but if it's truly representative of what was played, then it could be a helpful tool in addition to everything else we use.

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 2 days ago
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      try it and let me know what you think 

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 2 days ago
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       Your question on being generic is valid because I understand that the only way AI can respond is from a data base of collective information and not from genuine human emotion and intellect. Perhaps I am showing my ignorance but the advantage we humans have, at this stage, is we can think, we know we think and we can think about thinking. Unlike a machine. 

    • Immanuel
    • 2 days ago
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    Jeffrey. Thankyou for raising this topic. Whilst I haven't uploaded a recording of my playing seeking feedback I have sought feedback when approaching a new piece of music. For example asked it for any insights on a piece I am about to learn. It is not very good at optical recognition but it s good at searching the internet for information that is already written about a piece of music. 

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