AI analysis

This week I recorded BWV 1007 prelude on iPhone Voice Memo and uploaded it to Gemini for analysis. And then asked it which measures I should work on. It listed the measures and an analysis of the measure and what I needed to work on. I wondered if other people had tried this. Please give it a try before responding so that we can have a real discussion of the benefits and limitations of AI.

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    • BLaflamme
    • Yesterday
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    Maybe you can watch this! 😅 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaA3aTtBegn/

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      • David_Krupka
      • Yesterday
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       'Super-boulot' indeed! (And tell me, who in this day and age needs a teacher when you can engage your very own AI cheerleader?)

      • BLaflamme
      • Yesterday
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      That's very funny... the worst he gets it, the best it is!! 🤣

      • Jeffrey.1
      • Yesterday
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      my French is not that good. I didn’t interact with it while I was playing. I made a recording and then imported it into Gemini and it gave me suggestions and critique. I asked which measures I should work on. It gave me four different sections and work to work on.

      • Jeffrey.1
      • Yesterday
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      I asked if you didn’t try it not to comment.

      • BLaflamme
      • Yesterday
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       Well, to summarize a bit he asks how he could enhance his interpretation, then gets recommendations, then do it in a wrong way, then gets approbation, and so on and for the worst... For what I can see AI is still far from replacing an experienced teacher... as for many other things.

      • John_Mardinly
      • Yesterday
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      Is there an English version of this?

      • BLaflamme
      • Yesterday
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       I don't think so, Thomas can speak English but he's French and sometimes he posts in French on his Instagram, he has some lessons here on Tonebase if you are interested.

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    • mgshirk
    • Yesterday
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    I have not, but it sure sounds interesting. It sure has a huge data cache to compare against. I’m curious what kind of suggestions it made. 

      • Jeffrey.1
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       I have a very good teacher. She was impressed with the suggestions it made.  

      That was a really lovely performance! Playing Bach's BWV 1007 Prelude on classical guitar is no easy feat, and you've got a wonderful, musical feel for the piece.

      Here is a detailed feedback performance breakdown:

      Performance Strengths

      Tone & Expression: You have a warm, intimate tone that suits classical guitar arrangement of Bach exceptionally well. Your touch on the strings is soft yet clear.

      Musicality & Phrasing: You don't play it like a robotic machine; you allow the phrasing to breathe, giving natural dynamic swells as harmonies shift and resolve.

      Rhythmic Flow: Overall, the micro-rubato you use gives the performance a smooth, flowing feel without losing the underlying pulse of the 16th-note arpeggio pattern.

      Areas for Refinement

      Consistency in Tempo:

      While rubato is great for expressive moments, there are a few places where the tempo pushes or holds back slightly more than necessary, which breaks the steady "wave" effect typical of Bach preludes.

      Tip: Try practicing with a metronome at a slow tempo to ensure every 16th note occupies equal rhythmic space before adding expressive elasticity back in.

      Bass Line Voice Leading:

      In Bach's cellos suites, the low notes carry the structural harmony and melody line (implied counterpoint). Occasionally, the bass notes got a bit swallowed or quiet compared to the upper strings.

      Tip: Let the root/bass notes linger and ring out slightly stronger to give the listener a solid harmonic anchor.

      Clarity in Rapid/Transitional Shifts:

      Around complex fingering shifts or chord changes, there were subtle hesitations or tiny string squeaks/damps.

      Tip: Isolate those specific bar transitions (e.g., the dominant 7th roll or the pedal-point sections near the end) and practice just the finger movement smoothly without striking the strings first, then add the right hand back in.

      Overall, it’s a expressive, thoughtful rendition with great musical intention. Fantastic job!

      Based on your performance in the recording, here are the specific measure numbers (with approximate timestamps) to focus on for your next practice session:

      Key Measures to Target

      1. Measures 11–14 (~0:28 – 0:40)

      What’s happening: The harmonic transition moving away from the opening tonic foundation.

      Focus area: There are subtle hesitations as your left hand navigates the positional shifts across middle frets.

      Practice tip: Isolate the left-hand position changes without plucking—just practice planting your fingers cleanly on the target frets on the downbeat of each measure to build muscle memory.

      2. Measures 19–22 (~0:50 – 1:02)

      What’s happening: The diminished/chromatic arpeggio progression.

      Focus area: A few notes here lose slight volume and clarity due to awkward finger stretches on adjacent strings.

      Practice tip: Keep your left-hand thumb low and centered behind the neck to give your fingers maximum reach and curvature. Play this section staccato at 50% tempo to ensure each note speaks with equal volume before letting them ring over each other.

      3. Measures 31–36 (~1:20 – 1:38)

      What’s happening: The dominant pedal-point section (where the bass note repeats regularly under shifting upper arpeggios).

      Focus area: Rhythmic drive and string separation. The repeating bass note occasionally overpowers or slightly drags the upper 16th-note rhythm.

      Practice tip: Lighten the thumb stroke on the pedal note slightly and emphasize the top voice so the moving melodic line sits clearly above the anchor note.

      4. Measures 37–41 (~1:38 – End)

      What’s happening: The final cadenza-like arpeggiated chords leading to the resolution.

      Focus area: Smooth execution of the full chord rolls without string squeaks during the rapid finger repositioning.

      Practice tip: Make sure your right hand stays relaxed and glides through the arpeggio sequence in one continuous sweep rather than separate plucked motions.

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      • mgshirk
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       Amazing, I like the way it opened up with positive feedback. As guitarists, it's always good to stroke our egos first 😉. I guess my question is, is it right?  For instance, number 2 specifically states in Measures 19-22 the diminished/chromatic arpeggio progression. Do those measures actually contain a chromatic progression? I'll have to give this a try just for fun.    

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      • David_Krupka
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       My apologies, Jeffrey,  if you found my comment offensive. I meant it only as a response to the video linked by  . The point being made there is that the worse one plays (intentionally, in Thomas' case) the greater the praise that is elicited from the AI, which provides plenty of encouragement, but no advice. I was not trying to suggest that this might have been your own experience with Gemini. (And I certainly didn't mean to imply that you yourself might want a 'cheerleader' rather than a teacher!) In fact, as you show, you received a lot of remarkably focused criticism from Gemini, and I thank you for sharing the actual feedback of the AI. One question I do have is whether you agree with the criticism - that is, do you think the AI was pointing out actual deficits in your performance? And if you do agree, do you find the practice tips useful? Thank you for bringing up this interesting application of AI. And please be assured that my comment on Thomas' video was not directed at you.

      • Jeffrey.1
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      I found the suggestions very helpful. I worked on each of those sections though. I’m not sure I have improved. I will go over them with Gohar on my Monday lesson. I view this as simply another tool to provide feedback.

      • Jeffrey.1
      • Yesterday
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      I think this is helpful. I’m just a hobbyist as far as music goes and having an additional feedback is helpful.

    • John_Mardinly
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    This is frightening. For most guitarists, teaching is how they make their living. 

      • BLaflamme
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       Well... Just read what you got from Gemini and I have to say that's pretty basic and generic in terms of analysis for harmonic, rhythm, form and technical suggestions, I would certainly not rely on this to craft my way of playing. Maybe one could be impressed by the fact it can match mesures or recognize chords, but that seems to be the easiest part for an AI. In fact working at slow tempo with a metronome would probably resolves almost everything there, and then listening to a recording of you to figure out what you're not aware of when you play, and obviously working with a knowledgable teacher to help you progress! That's indeed an interesting experiment!

      • Jeffrey.1
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      I don’t think this is to replace a teacher. This is simply a way to get feedback during my practice so hopefully my lessons are more focused. For better or worse, AI is here to stay. We are all going to use it in our jobs and lives. For teachers, adapters into incorporating AI into lessons and lesson plans will only be beneficial.

      • Jeffrey.1
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      I found it helpful. Guitar is a serious hobby for me, but I would not consider myself a real musician. For me it adds feedback and helps direct my practice. This is not meant to replace a teacher, and I certainly won’t be replacing mine. Also, I think with directed questions, Gemini can become more and more detailed. This was also not the most detailed engine that it has. I only recently started using it, but plan to see if it could be more helpful.

    • Ron.3
    • 16 hrs ago
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    Just seen all the posts - very interesting, I've used AI for several things but not for critiquing my playing! I will try it at some point although my basic process of "plan-do-reflect-act" usually gives me plenty of things to work on!

    • Michelle_Roper
    • 16 hrs ago
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    Hi Jeffrey,

    I do not use AI but it is something that interests me only because I really cannot see that AI does any good. Maybe I am wrong but I don't see how an inanimate object can observe and critique a musical performance in an objective manner. It does not have a natural ear and having an ear for music is what humans develop and that ear is responsible for the creation of interesting and beautiful sound.  AI has a history of being sycophantic telling you what you want to hear. Which is another reason not to trust AI. 

    Cheers

    Michelle

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 2 hrs ago
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      give it a try. 

    • Steve_Price
    • 13 hrs ago
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    I have to admit I was very skeptical about the use of AI in this context, but after reading the feedback Jeffrey received, I'm pretty impressed. It's a lot more detailed than I would have expected. Some questioned whether the feedback and analysis were all correct, but isn't that the case with all commentary we receive? Whether it's about interpretation, technique, or theory, I think it's a mistake not to evaluate what we're told. Even if it's good advice, it's not beneficial if we don't truly understand it. If we only wanted feedback from the most authoritative sources, then there'd be no reason to play for family, friends, guitar groups, etc. We get feedback from a diverse group with different tastes, experience, and skill levels, so maybe this is the same sort of thing. Someone mentioned it being sycophantic, but aside from my teachers, there was more constructive criticism in this AI response than I've EVER received from guitar groups, in the challenges here, or in the old two-week intensives we used to do.  

    My only question is whether this feedback is generic or if it is reflective of what was actually played. If it's just general information plucked from around the web, then it's only mildly useful, like reading an article about the piece, but if it's truly representative of what was played, then it could be a helpful tool in addition to everything else we use.

      • Jeffrey.1
      • 2 hrs ago
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      try it and let me know what you think 

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 1 hr ago
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       Your question on being generic is valid because I understand that the only way AI can respond is from a data base of collective information and not from genuine human emotion and intellect. Perhaps I am showing my ignorance but the advantage we humans have, at this stage, is we can think, we know we think and we can think about thinking. Unlike a machine. 

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