🌳 Plant or don't plant? — the right-hand debate

One of the oldest disagreements in classical guitar pedagogy. Worth airing it out. 🎸

When you play an arpeggio — say a p-i-m-a — what do your right-hand fingers actually do?

Three broad camps:

  • 🌳 Full planting — all fingers land simultaneously before the cycle starts. Maximum stability and clarity. Trade-off: the strings already "owned" by waiting fingers can't ring.
  • 🌿 Sequential planting — each finger lands the instant the previous one plays. There's almost always one finger touching a string. Trade-off: more demanding to coordinate, easier sustain.
  • 🍃 Minimal/no planting at speed — useful as a relaxation drill at slow tempos, deliberately phased out as speed increases. Trade-off: relies on highly trained motion economy.

💬 Where do you actually live in your playing?

  • Which camp matches what you do most of the time?
  • Has your approach changed over the years — and what changed it?
  • Different planting approach for different pieces? Why?

This isn't a vote — it's a conversation. The fact that great players disagree is the point.

14 replies

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    • Kenneth.4
    • Yesterday
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    I guess #3 for me.  "no planting" is pretty much indistinguishable from sequential planting at speed.   I might use full planting if it's PIMA once and done.  The training is needed anyway, since planting is useless for a PAMI or AMIP arpeggio.

    • Guilherme_Cruz
    • Yesterday
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    I always plant, unless I have a reason not to. For me, planting is really important for security on stage, for both hands.

     For left hand preparation I use full and sequential preparation as well.

    • Palmer
    • Yesterday
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    I'm trying to learn a version of planting, planting with thumb when mostly treble notes are playing, and also when learning a piece to work out the chord structure and practice changes.

      • Palmer
      • Yesterday
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      It's hard because no real planting, mostly dampening is so ingrained in me. But this is certainly worth giving a real chance.

    • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
    • Ariel.1
    • Yesterday
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    Hi,  et all! 

    I think that the right hand approach must be

    1) note by note

    2) according to desired tone, volumen, articulation, accentuation, tone consonant, tempo desired, voicing development and other stuff 

    3) never constricted by what what's easier or more difficult to do technically

    for me, it's clear that the closer the finger is to the string when attacking the note, the closer the finger is to the moment of initial tension to perform the movement and so, the sound attack responds in a tenser way the closer the finger is. On the contrary, the more  further the finger begins the movement, the more relaxed and inertial the attack results, because you have time to completely relax the tension of the impulse way before the finger hits the string. 

    So, it CAN be a technical decision... because many passages ARE effectively more solvent with planting but it can never be a decision made solely on what makes the passage easier. I'd say, I prefer making it harder and having it sound my way than the other way round. 

    And I have had the feeling for many years now that guitar players have all more or less the same sound (quite boring) and I attribute that in a great way to planting and "minimized" right hand movements in the seach of security and speed.  

    So, I'll use both and decide note by note, passage by passage. But as a general rule I prefer the one that allows the notes to ring most, because our instrument is soft enough already without having to stop resonances that could remain... this is a summary of how I approach the matter... hope it contributes in some way!

    Greetings to all!!

      • Amateur guitarist/lutenist
      • David_Krupka
      • Yesterday
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       Your approach makes a lot of sense to me, Ariel. I agree with what you say about the uniformity of sound among modern professional guitarists. I've heard the same criticism made of modern violinists, so I wonder if there has been some shift in the underlying aesthetic values of our time. If so, there's some irony here: the age of authoritarianism/collectivism produced musicians of great individual character; the age of 'democracy' produces only homogeneity. (Or perhaps 'globalism' is the fundamental cause.) 

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • Yesterday
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       globalization of informatio maybe. I'd also say professionalization with the consequent need to excell and appear virtuoso (very fast, no mistakes). Competitions certainly have contributed to promote that line, sadly... and the winners of the competitions are the ones most seen so it becomes a closed circuit. I'd riskly like to add that this seems to be predominant in male performers while female ones seem to remain more in touch with deeper inner expression and tone quality variety. With due exceptions on both sides, of course. 

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 23 hrs ago
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        et all,

      expanding on what I mentioned on the attacking tension of the finger depending of the planting/not planting, I'd like to point out that this is also very useful to define styles. For example, if I were to play a Scarlatti sonata, I'd tend to do more planting because the type of attack that I get from planting is what I'd choose for a more clavicemballistic (?) piece ...(we could discuss if we should try to emulate the sound or not, but that's another story all together) but instead, if I were trying a more impressionistic composer I'd look for my lightest coming from afar attack... I have seen this many times in violin and even in piano. Musicians with complete different sounds and attack tension types for differnt periods and even composers from the same period. So, what actually bothers me is that there is a sort of "this is better, no, the other,..." when we should be trying to expand as much as possible the ways we produce sound instead of reducing them.

      Regarding pedagogy, which was a part of Martin's question and has me heavyly involved for almost 35 years now, I see the planting technique as a sort of cane. A way to "make sure everything is right from the start!" thing. And providing that it has it many uses, it also tends to create some statism in students (or that is my experience). Planting sets the positions for the knuckles from the contact with the strings but I prefer that my students learn to position the knuckles by way of swinging the fingers freely and understanding where do they land in a more playfull self consious way. I feel it should be as a toddler learns ... it should be a game and I feel a little more than uncomfortable when I hear about parents using tools so that their children learn to walk faster ... But I admitt that, if it's musically (not technically) thought it could work both ways. Learning from planting to letting go and the other way round, from free swinging to planting as a way to articulate or provide special needs when required musically.

    • Amateur guitarist/lutenist
    • David_Krupka
    • Yesterday
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    Although  says the debate over planting is an old one, I first encountered the technique after joining ToneBase a few years ago. Certainly, when I was learning guitar as a kid (in the seventies, in Canada) none of my teachers so much as mentioned the term. Moreover (if I am recalling correctly) planting is not mentioned in any of the well-known guitar method books of the 19th century (Sor, Carulli, Carcassi, etc.). Of course, it is possible that planting was practiced during the romantic era, but that no one thought it worth describing in any detail. In any event, I don't employ planting in my own playing. I have in recent years spent a little time learning how to execute it, and I can see how it might be useful in some circumstances. But I don't in practice use planting in my own playing.

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    • Jim_king
    • Yesterday
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    For me, its a great big depends!  Left to my own devices, I would say that I tend towards minimal/no planting, especially when I am playing at a faster tempo.  If I am practising my arpeggios at a slow tempo, then I am more at sequential planting, which is the method I learned when learning how to play arpeggios.  Interestingly, I recently signed up with a Premium+ coach and he is having me practice using full planting when the opportunity arises to gain stability.  Need to practice this more before making any conclusion on full planting.

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      • Andre_Bernier
      • 11 hrs ago
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        As we have the same coach, I started to plant my fingers about 6 months ago. I had to go back to old pieces and relearn them using planting. This was a big, weird and difficult change. However, I am much more comfortable now and see the benefits of using it most of the time. 

    • Randy_Wimer
    • Yesterday
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    The current vocabulary for planting didn’t exist or wasn’t in common usage when I first started playing but the technique certainly was. My first serious nylon string teacher was a flamenco guitarist, Ron Radford. He described it as “playing from the string”. When I started it was important to me for right hand stability and for learning proper tone production with the free stroke. I still teach full planting for ascending arpeggios to beginning students for the same reasons. Later the idea of sequential planting is introduced but soon after, if the lessons of stability and tone production have been internalized it becomes a non-issue. For myself, once in a great while I take one of speed-demon etudes (Villa Lobos 1, Brouwer 6, etc) and go through it a grass growing tempo to make sure the mechanics of sequential planting still work – then I forget about it until next self-exam time.

    • John_Mardinly
    • Yesterday
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    Only if rolling a chord.

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    • Michelle_P
    • Yesterday
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    Coming from the steel string acoustic world, and being relatively new to classical, I do minimal to no planting. I only plant if doing exercises. And I might plant when going extremely slow and just learning a piece. But then it's flying finger after that, good, bad or otherwise. 😄

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