🎨 From correct to musical

Getting the notes right is only the doorway, and we all know pieces that are accurate yet somehow flat. Turning a clean run-through into something that breathes, with shape, colour, and a sense of line, is a different kind of work, and it is not always clear how to practise it. Some hear the phrasing first, others find it only after the mechanics are solid.

💬 How do you make a piece musical, not just correct?

  • When a piece is technically secure but sounds flat, what do you actually do to bring it to life?
  • Do you plan your phrasing and dynamics deliberately, or do they emerge as the piece settles?
  • Where does your sense of interpretation come from, the score, recordings, a teacher, your own ear?

The music lives in the choices past the notes, and no two players shape a phrase quite the same way. Let's compare how we find it.

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    • Michelle_Roper
    • 10 days ago
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    I will be interested to hear the comments on this topic. I have spoken at length with my guitar teacher about this topic. My attitude is you have to build a solid foundation before you add all the trim. There is no sense in decorating the kitchen if it hasn't been built. And much to his frustration that is how I have to approach learning a new piece. He believes that it is possible to chew gum and walk at the same time. 

    Having said that I believe that Audiation is my best friend in helping to play a piece in a musical fashion. I heard someone say "you cannot play music musically if you cannot sing what you want to play." And that I believe to be true. 

    Cheers

    Michelle

    • Anthony_Roberts
    • 10 days ago
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    After many years of "notes first, then add interpretation" I have totally switched to defining an interpretive plan at the outset. Actually, following Klickstein's approach I create an audio model of the piece and define, and write into the score, an interpretive plan (phrasing, dynamics, articulation, rubato) before picking up the guitar. The point is that, as explained to me by the head of one of the UKs guitar conservatoires, when you are under stress, for example when performing, you default to your most comfortable state. That tends to be how you first learned a piece of music, so it is essential that dynamics, articulation etc are part of this state.

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      • Steve_Price
      • 10 days ago
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       I think you are right on the money here. I originally had a very similar approach. Listening to my old recordings, I noticed they all come across as very generic, even though I had put a lot of effort into developing my own interpretation. Even the minor additional stress of recording switched me back to the default way I had learned them. The discussion came up in the "Unfinished Business" challenge, and Blaise mentioned that you can't apply these choices after the fact, like putting a filter on a photo. I started working on these things from day one, and now I'm actually hearing some of my personal choices come through. If the process of music runs from our introduction to a piece all the way up to performing it, it is much more efficient to make it a straight line instead of adding a number of detours. 

    • Tony_Carusone
    • 10 days ago
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    This is a topic dear to me, a never ending search for the soul of a piece with the score a signpost pointing to but not strictly defining the interpretive value of the piece, which I believe is in part the extension of the composer's intent and feeling but also that of the player who adds to it with their own unique interpretation.  Unfortunately, in my quest for this, I've become almost overwhelmed by the seemingly infinite possibilities, so I've learned to be content with what I can take from the piece and then revisit it as I continue to practice it further to keep the notes under my fingers, lest I spend the rest of my life plumbing the depths of only one piece!  This keeps my repertoire alive, organic and growing instead of a stagnant piece that is mechanically played simply to maintain muscle memory.  So I guess there are technical things I do to make a piece more "musical" but for me the most important thing is to bring the soul of the composer as well as my own closer together, and the music simply sings its own song.

    • marco96
    • 10 days ago
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    For many years at the conservatory, my approach was to put interpretation before everything else: from musical to correct. Over time, though, I realized this had a real limit: my technique wasn't solid enough to actually support the interpretation I was trying to build. My teacher kept pushing me toward fingerings and interpretive choices that my hands weren't yet capable of sustaining.

    It was thanks to tonebase and to Łukasz Kuropaczewski's masterclasses and courses that I started to understand a different path was right for me: first get the piece fully under your hands technically, and only then start working on interpretation. 

      • Steven_Bornfeld
      • 10 days ago
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       I agree.  It's fine to have an idea in one's head about the interpretation, but if the technique ain't there, it won't be in your playing.
      I did have the opportunity to sit for a masterclass with Łukasz, and yes--at my level he was very technique-focused.

    • Palmer
    • 10 days ago
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    For me, I need to memorize a piece. I do conceive of a musical interpretation as I learn it, and that comes to life more when I can be 100% involved with it and not looking at the notes.

    • Luc.1
    • 10 days ago
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    My younger self relied heavily on improvisational interpretation. This often got me into trouble, mostly because I lacked awareness of the piece's style or historical era.

    Today, I have a much stronger grasp of interpretation, shaped by a lifetime of listening to all kinds of music. I can still tap into that raw musicality, it's right at the surface, but I tend to bring it out only once my fingers, ears, and mind are fully familiar with the piece.

    Engaging that side of playing requires a completely different energy and mindset compared to routine practice. To me, musicality is an ever-evolving process: a blend of innate intuition, a lifetime of learning, and where my mind is in the current moment.

    • James_Charlton
    • 10 days ago
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    I like to memorize the piece so I can play it away from the written score.  Then, I keep playing it until I find myself listening to the music as if some other person were playing it.  Then I can judge which 'other person's' rendition I like best and work on perfecting that. 

    This way I find it's relatively easy to recast a piece if I hear someone else's version that I like better.  I guess that makes every piece a work in progress forever.  

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    • Law
    • 8 days ago
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    If a beginner or student wants to learn a new music, he or she should not listen or imitate the way other guitarists intepret or perform the music. I believe copying some guitarists intrepretation is not a creative process and not artistic. Therefore, I believe a musician or guitarist interpretation is a personal choice rather than our teacher interpretation except the musical signage indication on the music score by the composer. I observed that many guitarists performed the same guitar music with the same approach and interpretation. In classical guitar circle, it is a very boring community to listen to guitarists play the same music with the same interpretation. Playing music is a fun of self discovery and exploration process and can be personal endevour. I do not believe a single correct or right way to play music either musically or not musically. Of course, the teacher guides us in reading phrases and the intention of the composer rather than using the same fingering and placing phrasing by our teacher or the composer. Thus we can play a music correctly with the same musicality or interpretation. There were times we are biased because we listened to the great guitarists performed beautifully and we love to imitate their way of playing. We should explore alternative interpretation rather than fix on one way of interpretation. Thus there is no correct or wrong interpretation just like a conversation or diagloue between 2 persons. 

      • Steven_Bornfeld
      • 8 days ago
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       Sorry, I disagree.  To begin with, I am attracted to some pieces because I've HEARD them, either in recordings or in performance.  Most of the pieces most of us are going to be playing are NOT brand new works we have commissioned.  We try them because we hear them and we like what we hear.
      Today you can take almost any well-known piece and find many different interpretation on youtube or elsewhere.  Some you may like a lot, others less.  We have the benefit of picking and choosing interpretations we favor, and then may make them our own.  Some composers (I'm thinking of Dyens) pack their scores with so many performance notes it's clear that they have a definite conception of how to play the piece.  Others have far fewer performance notes.
      I know there are people who think you have to create your performance vision in a vacuum.  That may work for some, but not me.
      As for teachers, I've been working with 2.  One is concerned primarily with technique, the other with performance.  And the second one very much does give me interpretive suggestions, which I usually (but not always) take.

      • Michelle_Roper
      • 8 days ago
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       Hi Steve you are spot on and I agree totally. I have heard versions of a piece of music played by good guitarist where they have put their spin on a classical piece and it was horrible to listen too. At times re-inventing the wheel does not work and a classical piece is just that because of the way it is played. 

      • marco96
      • 7 days ago
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      Hi! Thanks for this! It really resonates with me, and I think you're touching on something real that happens a lot in the "classical guitar world".

      I agree that certain guitarists have, in a way, set such a strong standard for specific pieces that it becomes intimidating: some people end up just copying them, or worse, feel so discouraged they never even attempt the piece. I'm one of those people, honestly. There are pieces, I'm thinking of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Capricci de Goya, where Lorenzo Micheli's interpretation is so alive to me that I fell in love with those pieces "through" his playing. He showed me readings of that music I don't think I could have found on my own.

      That said, at the very beginning stage, I do think listening and imitation serve a purpose; at least for some people, I won't generalize. When you're new to this kind of music, you don't yet have the technical or conceptual vocabulary (how the strings and harmonics behave, what a phrase "wants," what's even physically possible depending on the instrument), so listening becomes a way of sublimating all of that, almost a form of desire: wanting to be able to do "that". There's an anecdote about Pablo Casals I keep coming back to: he had a student copy his phrasing, bowing, accents, down to the smallest detail, with total precision, with nothing else taught in the meantime. The student, frustrated, did it anyway, and once he had it exactly right, Casals smiled and told him: "Now you can improvise your own phrasing." I think there's something to that model: give an imprint first, then invite the person to build on it and eventually break from it.

      Where I agree with you most is that, in practice, that second step, the invitation to create, to interpret freely, often gets postponed indefinitely, or never really arrives! My own teacher actually forbade me from listening to other recordings/interpretations while learning a piece. I understood the reasoning, but I needed it anyway and did it regardless  😁 which caused its own problems (story for another time! 😅)

       

      Curious how others here navigate this! Where do you personally draw the line between "listening as inspiration" and "listening as a cage"? And for those who teach: do you consciously build in that second phase, the invitation to depart from the model? 🤔

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      • Law
      • 3 days ago
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       Hi, Marco, it was my reflection on how I can interpret musical notes into some interesting colour, and develop your own fingerings. Fingering a piece of music is an art itself and musicality is a very personal thing. We can add improvisation in a classical music like jazz music. In classical music traditional, guitarists are very strict on sticking to their established fingerings by composer or a famous guitarist. This is one of the major problems because ending up everyone plays a piece of masterpiece music altmost the same interpretation. Thus it is a very boring classical music to listen and sound the same to me due to the same interpretation and fingerings. 

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    • Andre_Bernier
    • 7 days ago
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    Are we making things more complicated than necessary. Every musicians are differents and have different approach. For me both approach (techincal or musical at the beginning) have their benefits. We should just use what works the best for us. I am still a beginner, so the technical approach is certainly my priority at the beginning followed closely to getting the adequate rhythm. The other musical aspects are looked after when I am more comfortable with just gettint the notes right and at the right time.

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