Villa-Lobos Prelude No.1!

Welcome to our next Study Group — a collaborative, peer-led dive into one of the most iconic pieces in the guitar repertoire.

This time, we’re immersing ourselves in the soulful beauty of Villa-Lobos’ Prelude No. 1!

This is not a course or a class — it’s a space for mutual exploration, discussion, and shared progress. I’ll be learning the piece alongside you (it’s always full of new discoveries!), and I’m excited to go deep into this masterpiece together.


🗓️ What to expect:

Starting September 1st, we'll focus on:

🎯 Left-hand shapes and stretches in the opening section

🎯 Rhythmic flow and rubato in the arpeggio passages

🎯 Tone production and balance between voices

🎯 Interpretation, phrasing, and expressive choices

🎯 Your own questions, insights, and perspectives!

We’ll also meet for two live Zoom sessions to share progress, exchange ideas, and nerd out over all things Villa-Lobos.


✅ How to participate:

  • Sign up through the Forum
  • Grab your score of Villa-Lobos Prelude No. 1
  • Introduce yourself below!
  • Join the prompts and discussions!
  • Share your thoughts, ideas, or a clip of your playing!

📅 Zoom Call #1 – September 5th, 8am PST 📅 Zoom Call #2 – September 12, 8am PST

 

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    • Barney
    • 3 days ago
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    Here is a single take while practicing the piece.  Looks like I repeated a section  in error and various other mistakes.  Recording yourself is so helpful identifying problems.

    I don't think I'll have time to record this piece again during the study group period, so wanted to at least show my status at this point.

      • Nijwm_Bwiswmuthiary
      • Yesterday
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       Beautifully played Barney. I didn't notice any mistakes at all. The melody was flowing nicely with the cello like tone and the B section was done very well too. 

      • Barney
      • Yesterday
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      Thanks Nijwm!

    • Derek
    • 2 days ago
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    Sorry that I missed the zoom call. I was on my way to Lanzarote but I will watch the recording, sounds interesting from the summary. I was hoping to record it before I came but it was a hectic week. I'd like to put some alternative fingering up for discussion. This is on the bar that occurs 4 times (twice on the first section and twice in the last section). The bar with the 12th fret harmonics dropping down to EGB on the 7th fret. I play this with all of the notes played on the 12th fret or open, until the last chord of the bar which is with the E 2nd fret 4th string. My fingering is harmonic E on 6th string followed by harmonics for E, G B then open E with G and B played on 12th fret then open E & B with G on 12th fret followed by open E,B,G etc as per notated fingering.  Any thoughts on this anyone?

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    • martin.3
    • Yesterday
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    Just wanting to share our next Mastering Tricky Passages Stream, we have so far only one submission (and one submission from don from the prior stream), would be great to have a bit more material!
    https://guitar-community.tonebase.co/t/q6y1xng/mastering-tricky-passages

    • Mark_Janka
    • Yesterday
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    Hello, tonebase folks! Just letting the group know that I am new at Prelude #1 and have been working on it. Nothing post-worthy, but I've been immensely enjoying the learning and the comments from the group. For a person at my level, this is going to be a long journey for me, but what I've heard people say about Villa-Lobos is true!: You can tell the piece was written by a composer who also plays the guitar. I have a lot of work to do to get the piece in my fingers and my brain, but there are all those familiar left-hand shapes and dramatic display of all the wonderful resonant uniqueness of the guitar.

    For a new to classical player like myself, it has been a treat to unpack (even if I probably won't have anything to post until next time this comes up in a Study Group). 

    • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
    • Ariel.1
    • 1 hr ago
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    Hi to everybody! I'm sorry I missed the zoom. I just watched it. Thanks  for the recap. I am not participating much over this because I never liked this prelude so much. Of the 5, the 1 and 2 are the ones that I find less appealing, number 5 being the one I like like the most. 

    I feel it's form is a bit off. With a very long A section and a very short and underdeveloped B section. I will attempt to help any doubts that arise in the group, if you ask me, but I don't feel like studying it to perform it here. I am studying number 5 to record it in my next cd, with many different ideas to the usual interpretative tradition and I have already in my YT channel number 3 and 4 (#4's recording suffered from new strings) and Suite Populaire Bresilienne in my CD but Preludes #1 & 2 I really don't enjoy them as much. 

     Nice post!! recording it full is no joke! It's pretty long. And I am happy to see your hand is getting much better really fast! That must be a relief. Keep up the good work.    

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 1 hr ago
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       I do have this interesting trasncription to share. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVD1eegvEU

      I think it is much closer to my idea of how it should sound than any guitar versions...

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 1 hr ago
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       regarding noises... If Goran Krivokapic, Marcin Dylla, Sanel Redzic, Petra Poláčková et all don't mind them... then there must not be much to possibly do there. I'll try my best but untill we guitarist don't develop (We should have asked for this a long time ago!!!!) a different kind of strings more alike to the cello and violin ones, I won't sacrifice legato to the skreeches.

      • Barney
      • 58 min ago
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       Thanks Ariel!  Yes, the left hand continues getting better, but I need to treat it with extra care and wear the brace when playing.  At least I can start playing some less challenging pieces now.

      I too enjoy VL Prelude No. 5 the most.  

      I watched your post of a Pianist playing #1.  Interesting (obviously, I'm  jealous of the range and sustain possible).  However, I know you don't really like guitar "transcriptions" from other instruments, etc.  In this case it's the reverse, which is a bit strange for me (although I like the sound and interpretation).

      btw, does my right hand /wrist look a little straighter, better aligned ergonomically, (as you previous noticed and questioned in an earlier post)?

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 47 min ago
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       Don't over exercise! Slow, easy and steady do the trick when recovering. 

      yes... I know what you mean. It sounds strange to me too, but I can really relate to the interpretation much more. There are many Villa-Lobos Studies transcripted to piano and they also sound very weird. But, sadly to say, many times pianist have better ideas about what to do interpretatively with guitar pieces than guitar players themselves. 

      In the range of transcriptions from guitar, I think the Darwin Award goes to Recuerdos de la Alhambra transcripted for violín, though. That one is as silly as there may ever come. 

      • Barney
      • 33 min ago
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       Perhaps it is because pianists and and other orchestral instruments are trained in musicianship early while learning technique;  whereas many guitar teachers often wait until technique is well established before they work on musicianship, interpretation, etc. with students.

      I think I'll pass on the violin transcription you mentioned; it is too weird, haha.

      • Mark.8
      • 27 min ago
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       It is a very thin line to walk regarding noise and legato.  As guitarists we accept and acclimate to the squeaks but on many occasions attending guitar recitals and even listening to recordings with non guitarists friends, the string noises are almost always noted and the subject of comments.  

      • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
      • Ariel.1
      • 18 min ago
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       yes,... I feel you. I have non guitarist musician parents so it was everyday comment at home. I feel we have acclimated more to the status quo of string production than to the squeaks. Surely, there must be something to be done. I bet if we started complaining "en mass", they'd rapidly come up with a solution. I'd even pay more. Hannabach PSP, for example are good in that sence but they last 3 days in good conditions and afterwards it's impossible to play. 

      • Mark.8
      • 5 min ago
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       I agree that string tech has to change.  I worked in Materials Research for 40 years and, while polymers were not my area of expertise, I did have many polymer scientists colleagues and I asked if it would be possible to design a polymer with the density and properties to make a bass guitar string without the metal windings.  The answer was usually that anything is possible if industry motivated.  My feeling is that won't happen but they could address better winding materials and technology.

    • Performer, Teacher @Conservatory M. de Falla and member of Nuntempe Ensamble GQ
    • Ariel.1
    • 25 min ago
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    And to your question

     said:
    btw, does my right hand /wrist look a little straighter, better aligned ergonomically, (as you previous noticed and questioned in an earlier post)?

    I don't exactly remember the video regarding which I suggested that so I cannot exactly compare. I can tell you this: This piece is not the place to look for a staight wrist because the "apoyado" thumb actually requires a wrist bent upwards. Your sound is nice and full so I must say you are doing a good job. Your ima knuckles still look a little bit far away from the first strings tome and sometimes it looks like you are playing a bit too much from the more further falanges of ima instead of from the knuckles. Still you mastered that thumb jump to second string really well so, maybe it's a matter of angle of the video? I'll watch more of your videos and see about it and answer with more background. What I can say is that it sounds really nice, so your right hand must be doing things in the right direction.     

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