GENERAL DISCUSSION on the Variation Challenge "Marizápalos"
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- Yates says this is a "cancion bailable" associated with the theatre and a baile not a danza (P44-46).
- There is some history on Marizápalos, identifying it is a romanza here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Calder%C3%B3n
- The lyrics for the romanza are: https://www.google.com/search?q=marizapalos+lyrics
- A performance of the sung romanza can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKBngq7WRK0 and if you press "Show More" beneath the video you can see a translation of the lyrics.
- We all know what "...making bad use of their latin" must mean, but how?
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I am still not convinced we can’t use cross string trills. David Russell uses them almost exclusively and so does Scott Tenant on his Mysterious Barricades CD.
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This is about the last section. Imo there is a mistake in the score: bar 164-165 should be one bar, with same rhythmic pattern as next bar At least, that’s what I think the manuscript gives. The sign for the sixteenth notes is not very clear, but these notes are all marked in one bar. And it makes sense in context.
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Hi everyone,
I am thinking about the fact, that in bar 150 and 154, in Tabulature and Notation, a "g" is wanted 🤮.
"That g hurts my ears - I want to hear a Fis (f-sharp) ☺️
What about the following Idea ?
In renaissance-Lute-Notation the third string is always tuned to "Fis(f-sharp)".
Now we don't know who made this Manuskript ?
If this guy was in hurry and thinking on Lute-Tabulature, he could make these notation-mistakes ?
Playing an "o" on a Lutes third string will produce a great "Fis(f-sharp)"
I am 100% shure - the Manuskript is not correct - I will not play this hurting "g" anymore.😩
What do you think about this Theory ?
Best Regards 🍄
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I found a few more YouTubes
Ensemble Iberia (what a voice). I love the build up of tension
Natasha Cabezas. I love her quiet virtuosity and the tempo rubato
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The g Sharp and g natural alternate throughout the piece as the keys modulate. 133-144 E to A to D to G to B to Am. Keeps changing after as well.
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@Emma Baile and danza are close, but not the same. Today, baile is used in the flamenco world to refer to flamenco dance while danza is used to refer to ballet, etc. The roots of this seem to go back to the baroque as explained here:
So Irish step dancing is a danza while flamenco is a baile in the baroque sense. It does not seem a great distinction to us today, but remember that the Zarabanda was considered lascivious and banned by the Church around 1583. I wonder if this is the distinction that the church was using to ban certain dances?
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Martin, I hate the unnatural fingering from bars 163 on. I played it as written and as I would without the fingering and I don’t see an advantage to the fingering as written. I hope you will explain this.