5, 4 and 3-year-old students???

Hello all, at the music school where I teach I have just been assigned a bunch of new students, all but one children 10 and under. These include a 5-year-old, a 4-year-old and 3-year-old. Like WTF.

 

Obviously it is quite possible that they might be fantastically amazing, but I have less ideas about what I might do with them to than I would, say, someone ten times their age.

 

Any suggestions?? Please???

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    • Emmanull
    • Emma
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Thank you for this thread and topic. I am starting tomorrow with my first ever student. A 6 years old!! I suppose that living in Mozambique makes me a good teacher, as in not a lot to choose from.... I have a few books and I am reading all this thread that is very very helpful!

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      • Roni Glasernull
      • Classical guitarist and composer
      • roniglaser
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Emma Great! I'm glad the thread is helpful, I'd love to hear how you get on!

      Good luck!

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    • Emmanull
    • Emma
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Roni Glaser hi Roni, well the first class was a success, I kept the kid focused and only started  yawning after 45 min. I started with posture and  im apoyando exercises in the 1st string, even the 4 first notes of twinkle twinkle. The second class was a disaster in terms of yawning... lack of focus, I ended up singing along with her songs, all in all a bit of a disaster. Lets see how it goes the next class. One question, do you think I have to focus a lot on posture? do your little kids play on the left leg? Any more advise?

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      • Roni Glasernull
      • Classical guitarist and composer
      • roniglaser
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      Emma Hey congratulations on your class! Sounds like you did great👍

      45 minutes?!? Blimey, that's a lot for a 6-year-old, Were they sitting with the guitar the whole time, or did you do some kind of moving around? I think it can be hard for a young child to sit for a relatively long time, and I find holding the guitar as well makes it a bit more tiring too. Most of the younger students I've had kind of start swaying about in their chairs or turning the guitar upside down and stuff after about 20 minutes or so. The 6-year-old I've got now does well compared to most kids I've seen, but still 30 minutes is enough for her. I have a 7-year-old as well who has the lesson late in the day after school and gets a bit tired, so 30 minutes is very much enough for her.

      I'd break it up with some musical/guitar games in the middle. I don't have any great suggestions, but I wouldn't necessarily worry too much about them not being on the guitar, you can play for them and they can react in a certain way, or vice versa. Like you play fast/slow, they run around fast/slow, you play high notes, they walk around on their toes, low notes, the crawl around... just playing around with the parameters of music.

      Regarding posture, if you take Eduardo Inestal's advice... I don't know if you saw the two live streams he did on teaching (I HIGHLY recommend them, they were essentially what pushed me over the edge to feel confident enough to teach), he basically punctuates his discourse of sage advice with telling you to always check POSITION🤣. Personally I always do, but I also always do what I think they can manage. I also make sure that they understand why I telling them to sit in a way that is apparently uncomfortable is good, for example, I ask them how it feels to change how their hand is, is it more secure or unstable, does sitting up straight make them feel sleepy or more alert and ready to make music... stuff like that. Posture is basically a very complex thing that's made up of many smaller considerations and is different for everyone, so one thing at a time, and what they can manage without demotivating them at all.

      One thing for example is that often there is a tendency to turn the guitar up and turn the head and body to the left to look at the left hand, which is obviously bad posture, and if they play like that forever it would be far from ideal. But, I think it's reasonable for someone to want to look at what they are doing, where their fingers are etc., so I think as long as they understand what the "centre" is, it's OK.

      My youngest student (6) plays with the guitar on her right leg, on a low chair (where her feet reach the floor) and a low footstool under the right foot. She's more comfortable and I find her arms and hands are in a better position that way. That might change later though.

      Cripes, I think I've blathered on enough! Good luck for your next lessons and keep us posted!!

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      • Emmanull
      • Emma
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Roni Glaser thank you Roni for your answer, support, and good advice. I have watched the video of Eduardo, pity that only the second part is available, but it was full of good and useful information for young students. Thank you for the lead, it was great. And yes, I am copying your game for this afternoon's lesson :). I will let you know how it goes. BTW I have downloaded the book that Eduardo recommended, it is good because along with the first open string mi,mi,mi the teacher can play an accompaniment that is quite pretty and may encourage her. Also, I started teaching apoyando and Eduardo prefers to start with free strokes, so I will change today. Lets see how it goes. Thank you thank you so much

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      • Roni Glasernull
      • Classical guitarist and composer
      • roniglaser
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Emma Yes, I use that book Eduardo recommended too with one of my students (following his recommendation too, I assume you mean the Juan Antonio Muro "Basic Pieces" one?). I don't think there's anything in the book that prescribes apoyando over tirando, but it does start with i and m, and then a little later brings the thumb in. I really like it too because of the accompaniments, and there's loads you can discuss in there about how to play each piece, like how a hedgehog might dance, or what it's like in the morning, or to go on a picnic, and elicit musical ideas from them, as well as teach articulation, dynamics, tempo and the rest of it using their ideas.

      I use another one with younger students because it's got more German in it (I'm in Berlin) and some colour and pictures. It actually starts with the thumb on the g string, which I like too, because it means they can rest i, m and a on the treble strings and have a good RH position. I don't think the book Eduardo recommends 

      My advice about whether or not to start with free stroke, rest stroke, thumb stroke, back stroke... is teach whatever you understand best and are confident with, as well as what the student can manage happily. As with anything you teach, if you don't understand the rationale behind it, for example why you would choose one method over another, then you won't be able to guide them confidently, and confidence and trust in a teacher is important for you to be happy teaching and for your students to receive your teachings openly. I think it's fair to say all these methods have developed excellent players, so go with what you understand best, be open to solving issues as they arise, experiment, and be attentive to what happens and what works, as I'm sure you very much are.

      Keep us posted!

       

      Hey Mircea , aka Mr Head of Tonebase Live, can you sort out the first Eduardo Inestal video? It would be a shame for it not to be available. Plus it would be weird to have the first and not the second.

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