Music school Recommendations!

Hi, does anyone know any good classical guitar program at university/conservatiry? I’m applying for master next year and it would help me a ton if you give some tips!

 
preferably, I would like to know the name of the school and the teacher that you are recommending. The location doesn’t matter. The difficulty of getting admitted doesn’t matter since that’s my part to work on :D 

 

While searching for programs on my own, I found a lot of new options that I wasn’t aware of(I had no idea that Christopher Parkening teaches); and there is no way that I find all of the options by my self. I would really appreciate you sharing your wisdom on the subject matter, no matter how well known/common the suggestion is :)

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    • Jay Alan
    • Jay_Alan
    • 4 days ago
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    HI! You are faced with a tough situation.  You have to know it will work out for you and there may be some swings and misses.  Tonebase is a good example.  Most of the videos lack a producer who can help the teacher approach the audience a better way.  

     

    There are some good ones but everyone can teach you something but it is a lot of work to extract what you want.  They just cannot put themselves in the viewer's shoes.  

     

    They talk and talk and talk -- then they play a passage of the song for three seconds way too fast to comprehend.  Three seconds of demonstration and ten minutes of confusion , explaining  how "sometimes they do this and sometimes they don't!"  

     

    No!  Bad!  Play the passage slowly and explain the fingering clearly.  They  don't get it and Tonebase doesn't have a  general manager who can tell the instructors what to do.  I want to hear them play the piece, the whole piece, no stopping, not a performance how fast they can go but slowly so we can hear it ourselves.  

     

    Most of these people cannot explain what they are doing because they see it differently than we do.  

    But we CAN HEAR IT !!!!

     

    SO PLAY IT FOR US SLOWLY.  IF YOU OFFER THE TRANSCRIPT , THEN PLAY THE TRANSCRIPT!

     

    DON'T SIT THERE FOR AN HOUR PENCILING IN YOUR OWN FINGERING WHILE WE WATCH IN PAIN.

     

    THERE ARE VIDEOS IN SPANISH.   CERTAINLY AI CIOULD TRANSLATE THEM.  VILLA LOBOS , TWO GOOD PERFORMANCES, ONE WAS GRAN VALS AND MAYBE CHORO NUBMER ONE IN SPANISH.  

     

    THANKS!  SO YOU ARE ON A JOURNEY.

     

    You will find the right teacher but try to get something from even the bad ones.  The guy doing Studio Brilliante on Tonebase is a good player but the video is trash.   However, I slow down certain parts and pause it to get some fingerings he flys through and then he pencils is his finger for and hour. I could tell him what to do but Tonebase has no one doing it.  

     

    It's a challenge but you will do it and succeed.  So be happy and know you will find the right person.  Maybe the first may the eleventh.  Who know?

     

    The key is to stay positive and be happy think you are learning something from everyone you meet even if it is WHAT NOT TO DO!

    Someday, you will be a master and maybe you will understand the way to teach someone.  It's a lost art on almost everything on YouTube and the internet and yes, even at music schools.  I won't throw my school under the bus but let's just say these people can help turn you into a better player than themselves.   Think about it.  

    There have been many music geniuses in history where there teacher would approach them a couple months after starting and tell them to move on because they have passed them up in eight weeks.  They are teachers and if they can teach it's beautiful. 

    Now, if you find a pro player.  It probably will be no different in their teaching skills but you will be there and you will see someone who does something really special.  You'll see it.  Say, could you play that part again, slowly?  Is this right?  Oh, so the a-finger, third, ring, goes on the 3rd-string, the g-string on the b-flat, the third fret?  You gotta do that or you won't learn.  

     

    They think you know what they know.  How?  Why would you be paying them?  Just accept it.  It's all good.  

    Tonebase, please tell your instructors to play the entire song top to bottom as the transcript is written without stopping.  The Cavatina video is dreadful.  Again, talk, talk, talk and who cares, it doesn't make sense.   

     

    Teach your teachers.  Don't be afraid to ask them to slow down.  Hey even if you come away with only one thing in an hour it's a win.  It could be a difficult chord change or fingering or it could be playing something the same way as your transcript is written because when you see him play it differently you want to scream..  

     

    You will succeed.  If you believe it and your emotions match your ideas and behavior !!!!  Smile! Success! Stardom!!!  

    Go collect some ammo..  You want it.  

    You got this...

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      • EJ Huang
      • EJ_Huang
      • 4 days ago
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      Jay Alan thanks for the encouragement! And I totally get your frustrations. Good luck on your journey as well!

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      • Jay Alan
      • Jay_Alan
      • 4 days ago
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      EJ Huang I'm not frustrated and I understand why you said that.  

       

      I was upset at the entire world when I wrote that.  The majority of people I have interacted with lately are flakes and do as little as possible to collect their paychecks.   

      I wanted to let you know only YOU can navigate your ship.  Also, I've read through the comments and one quote you wrote was disappointing.  This -- " I agree that the teachers who teaches at small/less well known colleges are great choice to but they are hard to find :(  " <>

       

      That is exactly how I didn't want you to react.  The negative, self-defeating thoughts are not going to bring you gifts from the quantum universe of unknown possibilities.  Picture yourself finding that teacher from a less known, smaller university who is waiting for you, maybe, or maybe Yale. 

      Or better yet, let your emotions be in line with your actions and behavior.  You need all three.  You will find the perfect teacher.  It may be Yale and it may be some small joint in CA. Los Angeles and San Fran both have people.  

      You need to think of yourself as an archeologist right now.  You are looking for something and you will know it when you find it.  You know your general niche.  There is no need to be more specific at this point.  See where you go.   You sound like you believe in yourself so put yourself out there and take criticism as a gift.

      Ask questions and meet people.  No one is the same.  Talk to a bunch of people and see who has the time for you.  Ask them to listen to you.  Send them some of your recordings.  I mean a good teacher could tell on an iPhone video.  

       

      See what comes your way.   NO !!! They are NOT hard to find.  They will find you if you take the steps to get yourself heard.  Smile.  That's what I was saying.  You know something no one else does == you can do this!  

       

      Get your emotions in line with your actions and behaviors,  Yale or Cal Arts are external.  Work on the internal.  Like when you play.  You change the external.  The external doesn't tell you what to play or what's hard to find.  Your emotions will.  

       

      So change them from "hard to find to -- "I feel there are also small schools who may be just as good or better."  "I'm open to explore all possibilities."

       

      Now you feel smart.  You are smart.  You are happy.  You have energy. LISTEN TO how much better you play.  

       

      The emotions you feel make you creative and you play and hear differently.  That note should be softer, it's a pick-up note.  Don't slow down there, wait. Now, after a slight pause, come back in.  The melody is a story.  A conversation.  You thought about it, and said, "This is how I feel,  man."

      Let the instrument tell the story and amplify your feelings and emotions. 

       

      This is a free lesson.  I want to help.  Others here want to help, as well.  Do you get it?  

       

      You will be relaxed and know things instinctively.  You cannot excel when you are fearful and your mind is elsewhere. 

       

      I don't know what's best for you and don't eliminate Yale.  Give everyone a  chance.  

       

      See what comes to you.  None of this, "it's hard" stuff!   Yikes.  It's easy.  Many say, you can't do that.  It's a personal reflection of themselves.  You know what's hard?  When you lose faith and hope and start regretting your choices.  

      I forgot to say I love Tonebase.   I hate it but I also love it.  I could make it better if I worked there but I don't want to work there.  I get something out of all its videos.  

       

      The instructors are not ""content creators."

       

       They turn on their iPhone camera snd wing it.  

      And they are good players for the most part.  I extract something from every video I watch -- it's just a pain sometimes.  

       

      Also, the miserable exercises are really more important than the pieces themself.  Scott Tennant, or however you spell his name, wrote the Bible on guitar exercises.   Practice just that and you are golden.  "Pimping Nylon!"  I'll leave it because pumping sounds just as bad, ha!  

      I love Tonebase videos!  

       

      I slow stuff down, extract stuff, throw stuff into my DAW and convert audio to midi and I have a creative field day.  

       

      It does not matter if there production and teaching skills are not the best.  They may be the best player.  If what they play sounds good that is most important.  I just wish they would play the whole time instead of penciling in their fingering in real time.  Ha! 

       

      "One" could mean a lot of things when they say it.  It could be the string, the fret, the index finger or it could mean two.  It doesn't matter, I figure it out.  If it's P, M, I, Q. B, T --- whatever,  haha.  I look with my eyes and listen with my ears.  It's probably better it takes work and concentration on my part.  

       

      Call those schools, be personable to the secretaries who answer the phones.  You would be surprised how connected everyone is.  

       

      Ask questions.  Ask for leads.  

       

      Tell the truth.  And here's something ----->

       

      Say, "In your experience or if you were me how would you go about this?" 

       

      Hell, you can say that to everyone from the operators who answer the phone to the head of the music department of Yale.  And anyone from Insurance companies to Amazon customer service.  It's magic.  

       

      People love to give advice.  (See me, ha!)

       

      Someone will ask, "If I were you?  Well, I'd take down my email and send me a link of a video of you playing a well known piece."  I'll get back to you and tell you what I think." 

       

      Send them your samples. See who comes back and vibes with you.   This is the fun part.  I just complain sometimes.  I know I can't change the world.  I understand.  This is all a game.  

       

      Be an archaeologist right now.  Just work it.  But believe it in your dream and future, and it's not hard.  You can't pick the one to fall in love with.  That is not how it happens.  See what the infinite universe of possibilities sends you.  Try it!  

       

      If you put your wishes and visions out there and believe it will happen you will manifest your dreams.   Don't buy any books on it.  Just believe me.  

       

      The books are for procrastinators who are trying to find important things to help them procrastinate.   

       

      Positive attitude !!!!  Emotionally happy.  Energetic.  And work hard looking for whatever it is archaeologist look for.  You'll get a call or a surprise letter.  From whom, we don't know.  Everyone here who replied to you may have called it already.  

       

      Keep us posted.  

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  • I have heard that Yale actually has an endowment, and the program is free to anyone who is chosen. The teacher is Ben Verdery.

    I live in Rochester, NY, and obviously the Eastman School of Music is excellent. The guitar teacher is Nick Goluses.

    Personally, I would strongly consider the University of Texas and Adam Holtzman. Not only is Adam a great guitarist and teacher, but from what I hear, the classical guitar scene in Austin is amazing.

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      • EJ Huang
      • EJ_Huang
      • 4 days ago
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      Eric Phillips Thanks for the insight! Yale is on my list since a couple of my friends there all recommended it to me. I don’t know who’s going to teach there tho and how the audition process will turn out(if Ben is going to oversee the audition or our the new teacher will).

       

      the other suggestions sounds great as well and I’ll make sure to check them out!

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    • Marc Adler
    • magmasystems
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    There are so many great programs out there. I was going to mention Yale, but I see that Eric beat me to the punch. One proviso ... Ben Verdery is retiring at the end of the year. There are some really strong players who are applying to take over the position, and I am sure that you would be satisfied with any of those teachers.

    Some other thoughts...

    Here in New York City, we have Julliard (Sharon Isbin), Mannes (Michael Newman and Joao Luis), Manhattan School of Music (David Leisner, Oren Fader), and Hunter College (Joao Luis). All are great, but Hunter College might be the least expensive of them all.

    The most recent GFA winner came from Columbus State University in Georgia. I am not sure what the quality of their faculty is, but they did produce a GFA winner.

    There is Denver University with Jonathan Leathwood. Plus you get to live in the magnificent Rockies.

    But you might find an amazing teacher who is associated with a smaller and not-as-popular university. This happened to me when I studied the marimba (and classical percussion) in college.

    Hope this helps,
    Marc 

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    • magmasystems  I didn’t know that about Ben Verdery, but like Magma above, I am sure he will be succeeded by someone great.

      And I also agree that going to a smaller, not as well-known university could be the best path, and perhaps far more economical. There is no dearth of qualified teachers out there, so find the teacher and program that best meets your needs and circumstances.

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      • EJ Huang
      • EJ_Huang
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      Marc Adler 

      this is a big and informative list! I agree that the teachers who teaches at small/less well known colleges are great choice to but they are hard to find :(

       

      I didn’t know the recent GFA winner is a student of Dr. Zohn! My teacher has recommended that program to me and this adds one more reason to consider it.

       

      Anyways, thank you for these recommendations!

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    • David Krupka
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    • David_Krupka
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    I agree with Eric Phillips - you need to consider what is best for you, not what is 'best' in some general sense. In particular, you should take into account your own particular aims: do you simply wish to become a better musician (in which case almost any reputable school will do) or are you hoping to make a career out of music? If the latter, what sort of career? Each program will have its own strengths and weaknesses, and I think it advisable to look beyond the celebrity of a particular instructor in deciding which is most suitable for you.

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    • EJ Huang
    • EJ_Huang
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    I 100% agree as well. The purpose of this post is to explore more options while I research on my own. I have already heard some schools and names from this post that I wasn't aware of. And I can’t wait to dig into them to see if they suits my need better than the ones I already have in mind!

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    • Jack Stewart
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    • Jack_Stewart
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    A couple of schools / feachers to add to the list.

    Stanley Yates teaches at Austin Peay University in Tennessee. I have heard he is an excellent teacher and has a series of excellent transcriptions. Alan Mearns was a student of his.

    USC has an excellent music program with a lot of great names in all music departments. Scott Tenant (Pumping Nylon), Bill Kenengiser and Pepe Romero (maybe retired) teach there. By all accounts Scott Tenent is an excellent teacher.

    I have attended and participated in a master class (respectively) by Sharon Isbin and can personally attest to her excellent teaching. She is at Manhattan School of music as Eric has mentioned.

    There are online resources for school listings for classical guitar. Perhaps GFA has some information as well as some of the classical guitar websites (Bradford Werner - This is Classical Guitar.)

    If you are at the graduate level and are focusing on performance I would recommend looking for performers you admire for their interpretations and see if they are also professors. You can, and should, supplement your education with master classes.

    Finally, there is probably no perfect teacher other than yourself. 

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