"Beginners Forum" Invitation
I wonder if there are other newer classical guitarists who would like to discuss learning and repertoire. I am "technically" Grade 2 - which means I passed a Grade 1 examination, but I still feel so new to classical guitar.
My beginning questions for anyone willing to join in this discussion:
1. Did you complete the Tonebase Beginning Guitar course, part 1?
2. Did you take any examination(s)?
3, What's on your music stand? (sorry - stolen from Martin Z.)
4. What do you believe is your biggest challenge with classical guitar?
5. What piece(s) would you like to be playing in a year?
6. What guitar(s) are you playing right now?
7. What guitar would be your dream guitar?
Cheers! Michelle P.
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hi Michelle. maybe silly question but how do you take a Grade 1 examination?
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Here are my answers to kick things off:
1. Yes, I completed part 1 of the Beginning Guitar course, and it was more challenging than I thought it would be. Which was great. I need to be challenged.
2. Yes, I took examinations at another online platform, and passed Grade One. I had to do a pre-determined Assessment and perform two pieces from a pre-determined List A and List B. It was very difficult and I really didn't think I passed. But I did! Yay!
3. I have lots on my music stand - maybe too much. My goal is to learn a nice amount of repertoire by women composers. Sadly, there's not too much out there for someone at my level of playing. I've just started Maria Linnemann's Desiree and Chanson Du Montmartre and Angela Mair's Summer Forever! I've also been working on Tatiana Stachak's Kurpie Etude. Plus lots of traditional pieces.
4. My biggest challenges are finger independence and being able to produce good tone. I feel like I'm plinking and plunking along.
5. I'd like to be able to play some easy arrangement of Gymnopedie No. 1 by Erik Satie
6. Right now I'm playing a Hippner spruce over Florida rosewood (whatever that means) short scale (630 mm). I also have a Cordoba C9 parlor with a cedar top.
7. My dream guitar would be anything handmade for me, solid wood. spruce top or double top over ??? maybe rosewood, maybe maple, maybe some unique tonewood. I guess I'm not quite sure yet. Short scale - perhaps 620 - with a 52 mm nut - a raised fretboard and a comfort armrest. And it would sound awesome.
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Michelle, I love that you posted this. The forum tends to fill up with people working on Bach fugues and Villa-Lobos etudes, which is great, but there's an entire layer of the community at your stage that doesn't always speak up — and you all have the most interesting questions in the room.
Quick answers from me to get the ball rolling for anyone reading:
4. Biggest challenge with classical guitar — for me it was (and still is) the right hand. The left hand will let you get away with murder; the right hand exposes everything.
5. Piece I'd want to be playing in a year — I want to get back into a beautiful concert repertoire that involves some goodies by Barrios which I've abandoned a long time ago. But there's so much more!
6. Dream guitar — One guitar? I want more! I'd love to have something that just plays suuuuper easily, like a Smallman — but I adore the sound of an old Hauser, Romanillos, or Friedrich.
Anyone else at Grade 1–3? Jump in. Michelle just opened the door.
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Well, if is in grades 1-3, I must be in grade negative 47.
Here are my responses:
1. Did you complete the Tonebase Beginning Guitar course, part 1? I have not.
2. Did you take any examination(s)? In college, almost forty years ago.
3, What's on your music stand? Schubert's Standchen (arr. Mertz)
4. What do you believe is your biggest challenge with classical guitar? Like Martin, the right hand. For the last several years, I have developed a problem with my index finger (maybe focal dystonia?) so I am always trying to find a way to play things while minimizing the use of this finger. But even before that, my right hand technique was always my weak spot. I played guitar for about six years with a pick, so I have always blamed that as the reason. But by now, the real reason is probably more about lack of disciplined focus.
5. What piece(s) would you like to be playing in a year? I really do not operate this way. There are a million pieces I'd love to be able to play, but experience tells me that I really have no idea what I will be playing. Whatever it is, I am confident that I will love it.
6. What guitar(s) are you playing right now? I have had the same guitar since about 1989. It's a 1973 Hernandis that I bought from a friend for $400 I think. I always say that it's nothing special, but it's very special to me. I don't get a chance to pick up other classical guitars very often, but when I do, I always wish they felt more like mine.
7. What guitar would be your dream guitar? I suppose some expensive, luthier-built instrument would be great, but unless I win the lottery, that is not likely to happen. I would love to have a Romantic guitar, since I spend so much time playing music of the 19th century, but again, that's more of a dream than reality.
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I'm also not a beginner, but I too will join the discussion.
1. I watched the beginner courses and took from them what I found useful. I had joined ToneBase as what might be called (by analogy with Aaron Shearer's notion of the 'remedial' student) a 'rehabilitational' student. I needed to relearn how to use my left hand, and because I had never given any real consideration to the mechanics of guitar playing, I wanted a clear model to follow. The various foundational material here at ToneBase has been invaluable for me in this respect.
2. I have never taken a guitar exam. I'm opposed in principle to the idea of performance examinations, although I do appreciate that some people find them very helpful as a means of guiding their study. Having said that, I do find anthologies (or even simple lists) of graded repertoire to be useful.
3. At the moment, I have the entire series of graded RCM repertoire books on my 'music stand'. (A table, actually.) I also keep an iPad with a l large library of scores (mostly of 19th c. music) close at hand.
4. For me personally, the biggest challenge over the past while has been getting my left hand to function properly. More generally, I have always found difficult left hand 'stretches' to present the greatest hurdle to playing guitar well.
5. Just like I don't have a particular repertoire goal that I actively pursue. I enjoy learning/playing a variety of music, mostly of an intermediate standard. I like 'discovering' pieces that I have I never heard before. I generally devote real effort only to those pieces that I think (hope?) that I will be able to play reasonably well. I have no interest in anything that smacks of virtuosity. (Of course, I do admire those guitarists who can perform such pieces - I just don't care to do so myself.)
6. I own a number of guitars. My default practice guitar is a rather old (mid seventies) instrument built by Japanese luthier Ryoji Matsuoka. For early 19th c. repertoire (Sor, Giuliani, et al.) I use a modern copy of a romantic era guitar.
7. My wish-list consists mostly of historical models. I would love to have have a seven-string guitar of the type used by Napoleon Coste. (Or almost any of the original instruments available though David Jacques.) Although a good luthier-made guitar can be a real pleasure to play, I have no particular desire to own one: I just don't have the kind of skill that would require such an instrument.
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I am relatively new to classical music. Joined Tonebase in December 2022 and have also used some other classical guitar sites since then to learn technique and applying it to repertoire.
1. Yes, I completed the TB Beginner Guitar courses part 1 and 2.
2. No exams. Done enough exams in my lifetime I have no desire to do anymore.
3. Currently I have it down to Pachelbel Canon in D, Tarrega Study in C, Carulli Andantino Op. 241 No. 5 and Adrian Le Roy La Tirantine. Two of these pieces (Study and La Tirantine are pieces I can play but I have returned to them to work on their musicality). The other two are newer pieces. I used to work on more pieces at a time, but have found 3-4 is a good number for me.
4. Probably my biggest challenge is my right hand technique. About a month ago, I went back to the fundamental lessons on the right hand to re-study how to play properly. This has helped. Other challenges include keeping a steady beat throughout a piece when not using a metronome, playing at the suggested tempo, and playing musically (dynamics, legato, and so on).
5. I generally don’t think about pieces I want to play in a year’s time. There is so much classical guitar music out there that I don’t know, so I often let a few different sites that have graded repertoire guide my choices. This way I’m playing material that is appropriate for my level, and if properly graded, will push me enough to keep me motivated. I also like returning to previously learned pieces and work on improving them.
6. I have two classical guitars. My first one is an entry level guitar made by Almansa. I bought this at a national instrument store that had lots of entry level guitars and this one had the best sound at a low price point. Once I determined that I was going to stick with classical guitar, I purchased a Ramirez SPR. This has become my primary instrument.
7. I don’t have a dream guitar. My Ramirez is a good quality guitar for my purposes (which is primarily for my own self-interest).
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Hi Michelle, great questions!
1. I did not all the way through, though have looked at parts where I feel I might be wanting.
2. No examinations since college in the late 70s.
3. I'm currently working on Tres Colores Porteños by Claudia Montero
4. So many challenges ;) keeping my hands relaxed is what I pay most attention to right now.
5. In a year, in a perfect world where my progress is amazing, Armando's Rhumba by Chick Corea.
6. I'm playing a guitar by Henner Hagenlocher and a Buscarino Cabaret.
7. I'd like to have my Sergio Abreu repaired soon.
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Wow, after a relatively slow start, this thread is gaining traction! It's really great to see and so many other fellow guitarists here.
Can I ask you all for a guitar buying guide? I want a good cedar top guitar, ideally a Luthier made (within a budget of $1500 roughly, if possible). I like warm sounding guitars, with easy playability. Currently I own a yamaha factory made CG182S. Unfortunately, I don't have many guitar outlets near my place, but perhaps I can import one in the future.